Why Your Amazing Writing Group Might Be Failing You

Today’s guest post is by editor and coach Lisa Cooper Ellison (@lisaellisonspen).


I met a woman we’ll call Tina in a college creative writing class. With a 10-inch band of black jelly bracelets and burgundy-striped, black hair, Tina exuded 1990s cool. Every outfit she wore included fishnet stockings tucked into a worn pair of Doc Martens. Fans like me willingly stood in clouds of her clove cigarette smoke, perhaps hoping to inhale a few atoms of talent from this published, twenty-something author. 

If “show, don’t tell” is the first advice writers receive, the second is to join a writing group. I secretly hoped Tina would slip me an invitation to the coveted critique group she called a salon. Sadly, that never happened. Still, writing friends told me all the cool kids had a writing group. So I searched for one at coffee shops, open mics, and writing classes, hoping a great group would help me not just finish my projects, but help me get them published. 

Three decades and multiple writing groups later, I can attest to their value. As a writing coach, I regularly extoll their benefits to students and clients. In my experience, 99.9% of writing group members are generous souls who’ll spend hours poring over your manuscripts. The most successful groups—like the one in Portland that Chelsea Cain, Monica Drake, Cheryl Strayed, Lidia Yuknavitch, and Chuck Palahniuk belong to—can launch the careers of bestsellers. It’s the reason so many writers use words like amazing, necessary, and sacred to describe them. 

But if writing groups are so helpful and so beloved, why do some writers never graduate from project-in-progress to project done? Is it a matter of following the twelve-step slogan “keep coming back; it works if you work it,” or could a healthy, highly coveted writing group fail you?

When most people think of writing groups, it’s the workshop-driven critique group they have in mind. In these groups, writers exchange pages and give each other feedback. But other groups exist, and not all dissect manuscripts. Some are designed for accountability or focus solely on helping writers generate new material. That’s important because each stage in the writing process requires something different.  

Yet not every writer or writing group knows this. Even when they do, their helpful nature might compel them to honor your feedback requests. Unfortunately, ill-timed critiques can lead to resentments that make your writing group feel less like a helpful resource and more like a swamp full of Grendels whose sole purpose is tearing your project limb from limb. 

The real reason writing groups sometimes fail us has nothing to do with the lovely people in them. The failure is due to a mismatch between what you need and what the group offers. Most people wouldn’t try to buy beef from a gynecologist, nor would they bend over and ask the produce manager at their favorite grocery store for a prostate exam. But sometimes that’s exactly what we ask the wrong writing groups to do. And that’s why the very best writing groups with the very best people will occasionally fail you. 

When working through a first draft, your goal might be to race to the end so you can get a sense of the story you’re trying to tell. But workshopping scenes along the way will thwart your forward motion, no matter how skilled or kind your reviewers. Instead of drafting new chapters, you’ll feel compelled to revise and then resubmit the same material to your group, hoping they’ll confirm you’re on the right track. And therein lies the problem. Not only will that slow your drafting down, but you’ll waste valuable creative energy on something that might get cut. Think of it as the polishing a turd problem. Even if the writing doesn’t stink, you might need to flush it. Resubmitting potential turds can also lead you down tangents that stall your story or bloat your word count.

That doesn’t mean you can’t ask for feedback, especially if you’re struggling with doubts. Instead of asking for a literary proctology exam, tell your group you need nourishment, then request positive feedback. Ask group members to flag what’s working, what makes them curious, and what they want more of. Let that feedback fuel your creativity so you can race to the finish line and then see what really matters. 

But that’s not the only way writing groups can unwittingly thwart your progress. The opposite of the critique group is the generativity group where writers respond to prompts and then share their freshly created works. If the critique group is the proctologist of the literary world, then generativity groups are more like produce stands. They can be loads of fun, and if you find the right one, you’ll feel nourished and generate a ton of new material.

That’s fabulous if you’re early in your writing career, between projects, or just starting a new one. But when you’re in the throes of heavy revision and you know where you’re going, what you need is an accountability group or occasional course-corrective feedback from one or two highly skilled writers. Get that and you’re likely to shift from project-in-progress to project done, even if your group doesn’t contain a Tina or refer to itself as a salon.

So how do you choose the best writing group for you? 

  • Know the stage of your main project.
  • Think about what you need based on that stage.
  • Find a group that meets your needs. 
  • If your group’s purpose doesn’t align with your needs take a break. If you depart with grace, they’ll still love you. 

What writing group issues have you faced? Share them in comments. I’d love to hear from you. 

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Barb Geiger

I think they’ve done more harm than that. When I joined my first critique group in 1998, only writers just sitting down believed that there are no rules meant no rules mattered. The people around the table all knew that the foundational structures of fiction are important and can be improved on. But year by year, there are no rules in work that shatter them has turned into no rules exist so don’t even bother to learn your craft.

Flashforward to 2021 when I graduated from a prestigious with an MFA from a Canadian university. There are no rules was taught as a complete thought and trying to discuss craft in class got me banished to the cornfield. Not one single work of the hundreds we read ever needed anything more than a final polish. There was no way to structurally improve a story because the author just broke the rule that a commercial story needs things that matter to the character to happen.

As long as people want to publish more than they want to improve their craft, there are no rules tells them they’re on the right path.

Lisa Ellilson

Barb, Thank you for your astute comment. There are many ways writing groups and even writing programs can not just fail writers but can actually harm them. Those of us who’ve been scarred by bad experiences can easily conjure this pain. (I’m right there with you.) In my webinar, I will talk about that portion in greater detail. For now, let me just say that I see you and you’re not alone.

Robert Crouch

People mean well and want to help, but you can get so many differing opinions it can cause confusion and self-doubt. While I was grateful for the feedback, I learned to listen more closely to the more experienced and published writers in the group.

Lisa Ellilson

Robert, the split decision is the worst possible problem a writer can face. And it’s a common problem that occurs in writing groups. In my webinar, I will talk about the importance of knowing who to listen to and who might have great intentions but lack the skills to push your writing forward.

Nicolas Nelson

This is super important, partly for your own craft (and peace of mind!) and partly for navigating group dynamics and relationships wisely, in ways that benefit both you and the rest of the group, including the “well-intended but callow or rough-edged.”

It also leads into another issue, which Lisa might or might not have time to touch upon in her webinar: group leadership. It took me a while to figure out how to steer members into helpful roles in positive ways. Some members can best fill a “beta reader” sort of role, reporting which parts of the scene or story worked for them and which didn’t, without prescribing any fixes at all. Other members are full to the brim with story theory and structure, and will spill all over the group at the slightest jostle; for them, the challenge is choosing which bit of insight might make the greatest difference to this specific submission, and hold back all the rest for another time. Some rare and wonderful members are the wise and natural mentors we all seek when we visit a critique group… I empower them if needed, but mostly stay out of their way and let them talk when they have something to say.

Lisa Ellilson

Hi Nicole,

This is such an important point. Thanks for bringing it up. I will certainly touch on this during my webinar.

Erin Della Mattia

At the risk of sounding like someone offering workshop critique, I quite enjoy your imagery in this essay. “Most people wouldn’t try to buy beef from a gynecologist,” “If the critique group is the proctologist of the literary world…” It’s very visceral!

Lisa Ellison

Thank you for saying that. You’ve made my day! Those were some of my favorite lines to write. 🙂

Debby Chase Putman

I am in my 3rd year of all-in writing, with the first project,(started 11 years ago) on its 4th professional edit with ensuing stories ready to go. Many in the different critique groups I have tried, would only say the story is cute or clever, and maybe correct my word usage for the 10 & 11 yr old protagonists. The 1st book has been completed 4 full times, and yet it is only my editor that suggests a whole chapter wastes precious time in the book, or the lesson learned in on spot doesn’t come into play so again wastes ‘real estate’. But, I love the critique group for reminding me that I belong in this writing space. And, by allowing me to voice what I see in their work, they have actually allowed me to take a swing at what I noticed in my own. The saying ‘You always pick out in others what you hate most about yourself’, works for me in these groups.
To your point, I hadn’t noticed that different groups might lend different insights. I didn’t know and it makes perfect sense to me now. Thank you for the article!

Lisa Ellilson

Hi Debby,

Thank you for sharing your experiences with all of us. Yes, what we see in other’s work helps us see it in our own. That is why the workshop experience can be incredibly valuable. When a group isn’t giving you the kind of feedback you need, there are several key reasons, that I’ll talk about in my webinar. I love that you’ve created a reframe for what the group offers and how they can help support your work. Happy writing!

Jennifer Lafferty

This is good advice. You have to be careful about the writing group you choose. One of the groups I was in was supportive when I first joined but then, as soon as I started to have a little success, a couple of the members turned on me and instead of giving constructive criticism became mean-spirited and condescending. I still attending for a while because most of the members were still supportive but eventually the negativity became too much. It’s important to find a group that’s a good fit for you.

Lisa Ellilson

HI Jennifer,

I’m so sorry you had that experience. We are all human, and sometimes human emotions like jealousy can tarnish what was a very good writing group experience. Good group norms can help stave some of that off, however, it’s also important to check in with your gut to ensure the group is still serving you. I’m glad you recognized when the negativity became too much. I hope you find (or have found) the right group for you.

susan layland

I belong to an online critique group (NY writers) that are really, really supportive of people who are published or achieve some sort of writing success. Very grateful for them (but, at the same time, when they critique it can be brutal, helpful but brutal).

Wendy Beckman

Great piece! I have participated in writing groups and led a writing group for many years. Two times I have walked away from the group I had founded. The first was because my original goals had been usurped by one member, who changed the group into something I didn’t need. (That member wanted to change what we called ourselves to something more serious so that she could list it on her resume. LOL) The second was because it wasn’t working anymore for any of the three of us. Oddly enough, after I left, the other two members reconvened and then added a third, who invited me to join their group not knowing the history of it. I politely declined thinking that perhaps I was the one getting in everyone’s way.

I have led a workshop for about 14 years for people who are trying to get published, mostly for the first time. Most of the people in the group have decided to go the self-publishing route. (After my 10 commercially published nonfiction books, I might try self-publishing my first novel.) No matter what, the goal is to get published. Just yesterday at our meeting, I asked a member what he intended to do with the piece he had read and who the audience was. He said he read it because he thought we would like it but that he had no plans to publish it beyond the blog it appeared in many years ago. He was surprised to hear what the goals of the group are in the ensuing conversation. We’ll see if he comes back next month.

Lisa Ellilson

Hi Wendy,

Thank you so much for sharing your experience with all of us. It sounds like you’re an incredibly self-aware leader, and I love that you disbanded a group whose goals no longer aligned with your own. Sometimes that’s a better solution than limping along. I’m so glad you asked the new writer his intentions. It gives him a chance to see if this group is for him, which serves every member of the group. He will be a happier writer, because he had a chance to explore this issue.

Happy writing, workshopping, and publishing!

Lisa 🙂

Michael Varma

Hello Wendy,

I knew I was not alone and happy to see others have faced similar circumstances. While it may feel like another rejection letter, it is truly a blessing. My wife and I are experienced and published writers and over the years have walked away from several writing groups – two of which I founded.

It’s normal and natural that writing groups evolve. That’s a good thing. When the group no longer meets your needs, it’s time to move on – which I’ve learned and accepted, after processing the five stages of grief, that’s a good thing, too.

Onward and upward.

Michael

susan layland

Hi, critique groups can be helpful, but they can also slow you down. I joined a group that expected me to critique several stories before I was able to submit one of my own. I found that most writers (not all, for sure) would only review for the credits, or they would engage you to be an avid reviewer of their work, offering little in return. As a professional editor, I was finding myself spending a lot of time reviewing other writer’s work, and less time on my own. Then, I would become disappointed when I had reviewed dozens of stories and only have my work reviewed a few times. This may sound like sour grapes, and it may be, but I think you need to find people who value your work and are willing give back what they get in an honest and sincere way. The several who reviewed my work with a high level of competence a general interest in helping other writers succeed, advanced my material to an entirely different level. One or two were so skilled, I actually deleted paragraphs of work I thought were masterful. Also, know what you want a critique group to critique (style, character, pace, etc.). It will keep you from getting bogged down with reviews that offer critiques you don’t particularly need, i.e., ‘you need a semicolon here.’

Lisa Ellilson

Hi Susan, I don’t think this reads as sour grapes. You make some excellent points. Critique groups are only helpful if the workload is manageable, the skill level of members is either better or at least comparable to your own, and the experience is highly reciprocal. The more skilled we are, the smaller the number of people who fit this bill. This is especially true if you write or edit professionally. Writers in critique groups must know what they want and they must continually decide whether the group is meeting their needs.

Michael Varma

Lisa,

Great topic. I’m always on the lookout for good tidbits to keep my latest group on point. I truly appreciate all the points made in your guest blog post as well as additional points made below by commenter and your subsequent replies.

My latest gathering of traditional and self-published authors have formed a Writers’ Support Group (WSG). While we still pass pages around for critique, it is more combination accountability group, cheer and encouragement squad, and sometimes brainstorming “how to” session for today’s marketplace: social media, marketing, and time management.

Our WSG functions well because all current members are self-aware, readily admit what they don’t know (i.e. not a subject matter expert (SME) on any specific social media such as Twitter, Instagram, etc.) and offer their opinions of what did or did not work for them AND willing to find a guest SME to support our group.

Finding the right writing group is like finding a glass slipper and then trying a lot of feet. And should your favorite pair of glass slippers break, it’s time to find another perfect fit.

Lisa Ellilson

Hi Micheal, I love that you’ve founded such a vibrant and supportive group. That’s fabulous to hear. And your final analogy is marvelous! May I quote you during my webinar? If you have time, please email me at lisa.cooper.ellison@gmail.com. I have a few questions for you regarding your group and would love to chat before this Wednesday’s webinar. Happy writing!

Kathleen Renninger

I’m a beginning writer. One writing group I was in was the generativity type; simply a round-robin of reading pieces done in response to prompts given. It was a lovely social time, and some of the pieces were interesting. It also motivated me to write things I never would have written. Eventually, it was decided that presentations on various aspects of writing, should be added to the meetings, and we began to do writing exercises as well. These things made me realize I wanted & needed more than just reading my work & listening to others’. Unfortunately, Covid & politics destroyed the group, but the experience allowed me to learn what to look for in a subsequent group.

Lisa Ellilson

I hate to hear that your group didn’t work out, but how lovely that you figured out what you need in the next one. I wish you all the best as you search for the right group.

Kim

I was part of a writing group for years that had been very supportive and helped with my writing projects. However, some members (fiction writers like myself) left and were replaced by poets. While these new members were wonderful, I wasn’t receiving the kind of critiquing I needed so I eventually left the group. Since that time, I’ve joined another group (with some of those members that left) and we have resumed the type of group we needed.

Lisa Ellilson

It’s hard when the group contains writers outside your genre. Sounds like you found a beautiful way to handle this situation. I’m glad you now have what you need.