Is Hybrid Publishing Ethical?

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Note from Jane: Today’s post is by Meghan Harvey (@meggsaladpdx), Chief Strategy Officer at Girl Friday Productions. Girl Friday is a paid-for publishing service that also runs a hybrid arm, Girl Friday Books.

Last month, I wrote extensively about the nuances of hybrid publishing. It included two hybrid publishing case studies where the authors did earn a profit, which is not typical. Earning that profit required the authors to invest tens of thousands of dollars in printing, marketing and publicity.

I’m publishing Meghan’s perspective because I think she’s right that it’s problematic to equate ethical hybrid publishing with a positive return on investment for the author via book sales alone.


The publishing industry has been arguing for a long time about traditional vs. hybrid vs. self-publishing and which of these avenues are legitimate, and which are not, but a recent UK study that decries hybrid publishing as unethical has ruffled a lot of feathers.

Here’s the basic problem, in my view: these arguments ultimately conflate “ethical publishing” with positive ROI on a per-book basis. I’d like to take a closer look at that foundational premise, its inherent cracks, and offer a different paradigm.

Regardless of who pays for it, this is the cost to produce a book

My operating assumption is that you want to create a quality book—a book that will be on par with the quality of every other book on the shelf next to it. Regardless of who is fronting the investment (the publisher, in the case of a traditional publishing, or an author, in the case of hybrid or self-publishing), it can easily cost upward of $20,000 to create the thing.

Yes, there is variance based on the book’s contents (if you need a fact-check or an index or photo permissions clearance, for example), word count, or printing specifications. There is also a great deal of variance in terms of the pricing you can find these services for—but generally speaking, you’re going to get what you pay for. Good designers and editors have fairly standard rates, so I’m using those here to illustrate what I call the actual cost of producing a high-quality book. If you cross-check these numbers with a traditional publisher, you’ll find they expect to outlay about the same amount when such responsibilities are handled by freelancers.

Three-pass editing (Developmental, Copyediting, Proofreading): $7,500
Cover and custom interior design: $3,000

Finding great editors and designers is an important task—one that many self-publishers have no interest, ability, or time to do. Partnering with a reputable hybrid publisher or a publishing services firm who continually vet their creative partners removes the onus of team curation from the author.

Project management and back cover copywriting: $5,000

Self-publishers can and often do take on their own project management. It takes around 120 hours of professional project management to produce a book, more for the inexperienced. A lot of authors decide this is not how they would like to spend their time and hire out project management accordingly.

Offset print run (let’s assume a relatively small run of 3,500 copies, for example): $8,750

Total creative investment: ~$24,250

These costs do not include marketing and publicity. A full-scale publicity campaign, for example, starts around $10,000. The vast majority of traditionally published authors receive limited marketing and publicity support from their publisher, so regardless of publishing route, the bulk of a book’s marketing and promotion responsibility falls squarely on the author.

The earning potential from a single book

Publishers, as well as many individuals deciding on a hybrid publisher or on self-publishing, are concerned with turning a profit on the project. So, let’s look at how many copies a book needs to sell to earn out the creative investment alone on a paperback with a list price of $18.95.

  • From $18.95, we subtract the wholesale discount. If the book is being sold into bookstores, 40-55% is standard.
  • Then we subtract the distributor’s cut (18-20%).
  • The hybrid publisher and author split the net revenue (let’s call that $9.23 in this case) along the lines of their specific deal, and these vary widely. Sometimes hybrids take 15%, others take 50% of net revenues. We’ll use 30% for this example, making author earnings ~$6.46/book.

What this means is that, if all your books are sold through the brick-and-mortar channel, you would need to sell around 3,700 copies to break even on your up-front creative and printing investment. (Direct, non-retail-distribution-dependent sales channels earn more per copy.)

This sketch should shed some light on why traditional publishers are increasingly looking to acquire books that will sell more than 5,000 copies. It also suggests why publishers stress the importance of author platform: the author’s direct relationship with readers reduces the need to pile on marketing spend to reach sales goals.

Traditional publishers face ever-increasing printing costs and relatively stagnant retail prices (the market simply will not bear a $30 paperback novel, or even a $20 one). So they have little choice but to recover their margin with bulk rates for larger print runs. In other words, the sales projection threshold for a traditional publishing deal continues to move up, yoking publication to commercialization.

Is producing a book worth doing if it in and of itself is not a profitable project?

There is not a single right answer to this. For some people it is, and for some people it isn’t. A book does not always need to be an ROI-positive event to be worthwhile. Many thought leaders and entrepreneurs write book-production costs off as a marketing expense, since they recognize the legitimizing value of a byline to their authority. A book can function as a lead-gen tool to drive conversion to contract sales; a book can act as a compelling business card that helps net new clients or speaking engagements; a book can drive an individual’s community engagement and retention. Many authors prefer to work in a hybrid or fully assisted self-publishing model because those avenues offer them more control over their work and rights, greater speed to market, and increased potential for return on their intellectual property.

I echo Jane Friedman in saying that “Most writers, regardless of how they publish, are motivated not by money, but some other reason. Prestige, Infamy. Status. Visibility. A million other things.”

This insight applies not only to nonfiction writers, but to novelists, children’s book authors, and memoirists as well, for many of whom producing a high-quality book is a lifelong dream. The value writers get from publishing their book often has little to do with the royalties it generates. As Jane describes in great detail in the aforementioned article, “The writer who makes a living from book sales alone is the exception and not the rule in traditional publishing . . . what most frustrates me, year after year, is why we believe or assume that authors have ever earned a reasonable full-time living from publisher advances or book sales.”

Hybrid publishing is not the best path for everyone. Here’s when it makes sense.

Hybrid publishing is a business model; there is nothing unethical about it as long as everyone is clear on the terms. In a traditional publishing model, the publisher assumes most expenses associated with creating and releasing a book, and therefore takes the lion’s share of the reward or revenue. In most hybrid models, because the author takes most of the financial risk, they should also reap the majority of the royalties. If an author is willing to take on the financial risk for their project and would like to keep 100% of the royalties, they can certainly do that by self-publishing or even choosing a paid-for publishing service that offers 100 percent net.

So why do we need hybrid publishers at all? With the traditional model reducing risk for authors and the self-publishing model increasing stake and earning potential, why would anyone want to work with a hybrid publisher?

A good candidate for hybrid publishing is similar to an author who intentionally chooses to self-publish. However, the distinguishing factor of the hybrid model is national sales representation with brick-and-mortar retailers. What a hybrid publisher brings to the table is that sales muscle that a traditional publisher has, under a model that allows the author to retain control of their content and earnings. For some books this doesn’t matter so much, given that the majority of print books are now purchased online. For some books, the in-store channel is a key discovery point and will significantly contribute to overall sales volume. And for some authors, seeing their book on the shelves of a bookstore is a primary goal.

Measures of ethical practice for a hybrid publisher

To assign ethical purity to traditional publishers on account of their business model ignores the reality that there are bad actors across the industry. As in any industry, business ethics are about a commitment to transparency, integrity, and trustworthiness. Writers do need to beware. Armed with the following questions, writers can confidently select a trustworthy partner.

  1. Does the hybrid publisher or services firm seek out clarity on your goals and idea of success before providing a bid for how they will achieve your vision?
  2. Does the hybrid publisher or services firm promise or even imply that you’ll be seeing a return on your investment over the course of a single book launch? If so, can they back that claim up with sales projections to support it? Does this publisher have comparable titles that have sold in the same volume range?
  3. Do they ever turn authors away? If so, what is their criteria for turning down a project? It’s a good sign if they turn down projects for which their capabilities do not align with the author’s expected results.
  4. Can they provide transparency about your anticipated royalty per book sold, by channel?
  5. Look closely at their terminology around distribution. “Distribution” is one of those smoke and mirror terms. If your hybrid publisher is offering distribution for your book but not sales representation, that basically means you will be in their catalog and orderable by booksellers, but buried amongst millions of other titles. Effectively, your books will not get bought into stores without sales representation.
  6. Are they transparent about the costs in their bid, as well as the potential for additional elective services? Beware of the bait and switch.
  7. The final and most important question to ask: Does your prospective publisher or publishing services firm have the author’s best interest at heart? Does their model reflect that posture? Does their relationship with prior authors reflect that experience? If not, keep looking.

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Lynne M. Spreen

As appreciative as I am for this deep dive, it confirms for me that I’m making the right choice in “self”-pubbing, with my team of cover designer ($600), line editor ($1200) and advertising ($300 per month). In the past 8 months, I netted $4000, largely from one book. It’s not enough to live on, but it’s black ink for doing something I love, and am proud of.

Meghan Harvey

Lynne, thanks for reading. It’s fantastic to hear that you’ve made your self-publishing program profitable, and I’m glad this article confirms that for you. I am a huge advocate for self-publishing, which is why we built a fully assisted self-publishing firm nearly a decade ago (for those authors who don’t have an interest or time to handle all of their own project management as you do). But many authors who strongly desire (or strategically require) the in-store channel do need the hybrid avenue. I resist the idea that any publishing pathway is “best,” because in truth, each book and author, and their specific needs and goals, will determine which mode of publishing is the right one. My hope is that this article will help provide some transparency and helpful questions to ask for those weighing their options.

Joyce Reynolds-Ward

I notice that there is no mention of ebooks or print-on-demand–both of which change the dynamic significantly when comparing hybrid to self-publishing. Furthermore, with tools such as Vellum (at a cost of $250 or so for one-time purchase), self-publishers can create professional interiors to match the efforts of hybrid or traditional publishers.

While off-set printing is a necessity for certain types of picture-heavy books (which will normally fall into the domain of traditional and hybrid publishing), it is not necessary for all types. Print-on-demand is more than adequate for most novels, for example.

And the ebook market is not one that either of these modes of publishing necessarily have a handle on managing. I have been told by one traditionally published friend that her editor (at a major house) has said that one dynamic now considered by the Sales Committee is whether the author could make more via ebook than the company can.

That may be limited to this one imprint, but if not…it speaks to some major changes in the publishing world. So far I’ve not heard any discussion of this dynamic–but the person who told me that not only has been publishing for many years, but has been very good at spotting publishing trends early.

Meghan Harvey

Joyce, I have much to say in reponse, but will try to keep it brief! You’re 100% correct about print on demand being appropriate for many text-driven books, and that is true regardless of whether they are self- or hybrid published. Print on demand affects the math by lowering up-front cost (on a print run outlay) but decreasing per-unit earnings upon sale (based on generally higher per-unit printing costs than an offset print run offers). Speaking broadly, if you’re projecting sales of over 1000 books or so, it’s worth taking a look at offset printing prices and weighing whether making that investment up front is worth it in unit cost savings (ie, higher per book earnings). We tend to look at printing both ways (offset and POD) and compare with our sales projections to make a recommendation on which makes the most sense financially.

With regard to your second point, yes. The example I gave calculated sales from a print editon only, but generally the earnings pie will be comprised of a mix of royalties from any editions that are available for sale, along with any subrights sales such as foreign editions. Depending on the model you’re publishing in and your list price, you may earn more per copy on the ebook than on the print edition. I truly love hearing that your editor friend is weighing how much the author makes vs how much the publisher makes per book. I sure hope that’s evidence of a sea change! We put a lot of thought into that exact question when designing the model for our hybrid division.

Maggie Smith

“the distinguishing factor of the hybrid model is national sales representation with brick-and-mortar retailers.” I have found across the board with very few exceptions that hybrid publishers do NOT have salesmen contacting book stores. As you say, they put it in their catalog and usually through Ingram, offer bookstores the chance to special order. Almost none of the stores I’ve polled carry hybrid books in stock, primarily because hybrids can’t afford to offer returns and the high discounts that bookstores ask for. So going hybrid really doesn’t yield anything in terms of sales representation. If you want your book on a shelf, you have to personally sell it which generally means only in your local geographical area.

Meghan Harvey

This really is a huge point, Maggie, thank you for underlining it. I can’t speak for all hybrids, but I can speak for Girl Friday Books in saying we do have national sales representation and our titles are bought in to stores (indie booksellers, big box, specialty channels) nationwide. Because there seems to be a fair amount of smoke and mirrors around the term “distribution,” the key takeaway is to ask your prospective publisher this question!

Nick Thacker

This is huge, and thanks — this is a key differentiator!

Diane Tibert

What gets me about all this is: without the author, there is no content. Without content, there is not need for anyone at any publishing house. Yet, almost everyone at the publishing house (CEO, secretary, editor, etc.) makes a living from their job. Many authors cannot. They often need a ‘real job’ full time to support creating content for others who will make a living off their content.

As for hybrid-publishing, if it’s ethical, then it’s ethical comparable to if a person is honest, then they are honest. There are unethical traditional publishers, hybrid-publishers and self-publishers.

Barbara Linn Probst

I researched this subject in depth, which included speaking with many hybrid publishers and many authors who had followed the hybrid path (for different reasons, and with different presses). The piece appeared right here last Fall (see https://janefriedman.com/everything-youve-always-wanted-to-know-hybrid-publishing/). One of the things I found is that the price varies greatly and one can go the hybrid route for FAR less than the $24,250 quoted by Girl Friday. I urge people who want to explore this route to follow the guidelines in that piece, including the standards issued by IBPA, and become well-educated before deciding yes or no.

Meghan Harvey

Hi Barbara, thank you for including that resource link here. You’re right that there are many hybrids that cost less than Girl Friday does, and there are several reputable ones on your list below. It’s really important for authors seeking bids to explore widely, like you urge, and also to make sure they’re comparing apples to apples in terms of the scope of services provided. I’m glad authors have so many options these days (though I know it often makes for an arduous journey to find the right partner!).

Barbara Linn Probst

Here is the list of publishers from the webinar I did for Jane Friedman on hybrid publishing. They offer different packages, services, and means of financing. Again, it’s all about doing your homework and finding the right fit 🙂

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Pamela Kelley

While I don’t think these Hybrid Publishers are unethical–they are vastly overpriced–way above market rates. Is that unethical? Not necessarily, it’s running a business and that’s how they choose to price for the hand-holding I would assume one gets with a publisher like this.

But before going this route I would strongly advise an author to research other options and to look at actual costs.

As an example–
Editing costs will vary, but I pay so much less than the $7500 quoted. I don’t know anyone that pays even half that amount. I don’t spend even a quarter of it.
Printing–over 8k for a 3k or so print run
My costs–0. I do print-on-demand, and I would suggest that for all newer authors.

One thing I’ve noticed is that Hybrid publishers like to sell that they have access to sales people to sell you into the brick and mortar stores. What they don’t tell you is that unless you are already a bestselling author or having some kind of unique platform–they will not be able to place you many places–if at all. How do I know this? I was invited to that program at Ingram as a self-published author, based on my sales level. They told me that bookstores and retail stores decide to order based on prior sales. My sales were very strong–my books hit the big lists regularly so there was some name recognition. It’s very difficult otherwise and not a sure thing by any means.

When you self-publish you can instead do print-on-demand through Ingram and have virtually the same access without the upfront cost of printing. This way you only print when an order is placed.

And then to split royalties with the Hybrid publisher–this is where I really struggle. If you are paying these inflated prices–paying to publish–why do they deserve any of your royalties?

cover and interior formatting–$3k
Most of my covers cost about $300-400 including all versions, audio, large print, etc. Formatting was a one time charge of $249 for Vellum.

Which brings me to the next amount of $5k for project management and back cover copywriting and an estimate of 120 hours to produce a book.

I have to assume that time period includes writing hours? Because the actual time it takes me to product a book is ten minutes–I upload the cover to Vellum, drop in my word doc, check the style I want and with a few clicks, I generate the ebook and pdf for print. I am not at all techie, but Vellum is so easy a child could quickly learn and use it. It then takes me about an hour to upload those files to all the vendors. It’s not difficult.

Publicity-10k
I think it’s interesting that Hybrid publishers often suggest expensive PR services. I’ve been successfully publishing for 9 years and have yet to invest in that kind of PR–I’ve been warned off it from those that have done it. Instead, I would put a budget like that into digital marketing–precise targeting on Amazon book pages, Goodreads, Bookbub, and Facebook–and other online options. The ROI can be quite good.

There is no one right way on this. I know some authors that are happy with their Hybrid experiences and I think for some authors it could make sense–if they really don’t want to get involved as much and are maybe just looking to put out one or two books for instance. I would just encourage those authors to choose wisely–the costs do seem to vary quite a bit between hybrid publishers.

If someone is thinking about doing it themselves….it’s really not difficult and there are many resources available to learn.

Meghan Harvey

Hi Pamela, I’d like to briefly respond to your point about costs. My example is using EFA standard rates for professional editing and design. If you crunch these numbers with, say, a 60k word book as an example, you will see that the costs I’ve quoted are within the industry standard for freelancer rates without any markup. https://www.the-efa.org/rates/ It’s important to note that I’m assuming a traditional production process that includes three full rounds of editiorial work (developmental, copyediting, and proofreading). Project management is not something many DIY self-publishers need, true, but many do desire that kind of help.

To your point about offset printing vs POD, I agree completely POD is the best option for many books (and we print using POD presses as well). But see my comment to Barabra on this topic above: in short, POD eliminates the up front cost of a print run but increases the per unit cost to print (reducing per unit earnings), in general. So if you think you’ll sell over 1000 copies or so, it’s often worth getting offset quotes to compare and weigh risk/reward.

Fully agree with you in terms of publicity too, and I’m not recommending it, just using it in this example! Publicity campaigns are absolutely not appropriate for a lot of books, where as digital marketing is. Regardless, you do need a budget to market your book in some strategic manner, which is what I was trying to acknowlege in my costs detail.

Nanette Littlestone

I appreciate the information, but the prices in this article are extremely high and out of line for most independent publishing. I would caution readers to check the pricing before having heart palpitations.

Jane Friedman

Hi Nanette: I think it’s important to clarify there is a difference between self-publishing (maybe what you’re calling independent publishing) and hybrid publishing. It is right to ask “Why choose hybrid publishing over self-publishing?” given how much more expensive a reputable hybrid publisher can be. But the average cost for hybrid publishing, in my experience (after years of seeing countless contracts and quotes from myriad companies), is around $20-$25k, assuming you’re getting marketing and publicity. I’ve even seen costs double and triple that amount.

Joanna Penn

Those quoted costs are incredibly high. I’ve been a full-time indie author for over a decade, I work with professional editors, cover designers, and formatters, as well as all the mainstream distributors.
My costs are a tenth of that for completely professional books.

This is also ridiculous – Project management and back cover copywriting: $5,000
You can get back cover copy done for a few hundred and it is really not that hard to publish. Plenty of us share how to do it.

Plus, we use print on demand, not offset printing, so that cost is gone too.

Meghan Harvey

Hi Joanna, so great to see your name pop up here, and thank you for your feedback. I left some notes about POD vs offset printing in the above comments, so I won’t repeat those here. While I disagree that the costs I’m using to illustrate here are ridiculous (they are fully in line with EFA standards, including project management costs), I’m aware that many successful self-publishers such as yourself are fully equipped to accomplish publication successfully and with fewer costs. And that is awesome! However, I don’t believe that someone who desires holistic help from professionals is making a bad decision.

An analogy: there are a lot of people who DIY their kitchen remodel. Many of them do a poor job at it, but not all of them do–some have the right set of skills to pull off a killer kitchen remodel at very little cost. Lots of people who don’t have the skills or perhaps the time to devote to learning those skills desire to hire a general contractor to manage the process and make sure it’s done correctly.

Firms like Girl Friday are like a general contractor for the author who wants professionals to manage the job for them, from soup-to-nuts. It’s hard to understand the value if you’re the handy DIYer, but for people who can’t and don’t want to pick up the hammer, having the project done well and handled for them is absolutely worth it.

Nick Thacker

Meghan, I do want to commend you for how diplomatically you’ve responded — you’re running a business, and it’s well within your right as a business owner to want to succeed by making money at it. Your responses have been thorough and well-intentioned.

However, it really comes across as disingenuous when you quote something like “EFA standards” when 1) those standards are culled from a survey where the data is compiled from results nonmembers do not have access to, and 2) your bottom-line numbers are still 10X (at least) what those of us with decades of experience and real-world (admittedly anecdotal) evidence are saying is required to produce and publish a book.

Again, you’re in business, and it’s well within your purview try to make money doing it, but these sort of articles conflate what your firm does with what a real publisher (including the self-publisher) does: publishers exist to make money from the activity of selling content. Yours seems to make money from the activity of selling services to content creators.

Jane Friedman

In defense of Meghan’s use of EFA rates: Many in the industry reference them and use them as benchmark. And as someone who was inside the industry for 15 years, I can affirm these costs are in line with what traditional publishers pay. However I’m not saying self-publishing authors should expect to pay these rates, or that you can’t get these services at a much lower cost. I think Meghan’s analogy in the comments elsewhere, regarding whether you use a contractor or take a DIY approach to home rehabbing, is very apt.

Meghan Harvey

Nick, thanks very much for your opening comment, I appreciate that.

You’re right that we offer serivces to content creators, and I don’t take that as an insult ; ) In fact, we provide all of the same services to traditional publishers as we do self-publishers. We’ve been producing books for almost all the major traditonal houses for almost two decades (under a service fee structure, we don’t get a cut of royalties–unfortunately for us! The publishers know it’s in their best interest to hang on to the royalties because, spoiler, that’s actually the where the money is being made at scale). So I don’t think there’s anything unethical about a services firm–whether they are the outsource for either a traditional publisher or a self-published author. **What is unethical is ANY lack of transparency and integrity around any of the questions I list above.

Your point of view is very interesting to me, so thanks very much for sharing it.

Nick Thacker

YUP

Nick Thacker

Bottom line: if a company is telling you that their customer (the one who makes them money) is a reader, but in fact the customer is an author, I’m going to have a hard time saying they’re operating “ethically.”

(Quotes around “ethically” because I think there could be some definition here that would offer some common ground from which to debate).

Jane Friedman

Hi Nick: I’d agree that any hybrid (or paid-for publishing service) that pretends or says they earn money from readers rather than authors is not being honest or transparent—and not ethical.

Nick Thacker

It gets squishy, though, right? Because how many company exist that say they’re positioning the authors’ books to make them more money, but are actually just inflating the author-paid costs so it doesn’t actually matter?

Jane Friedman

Those sound like unethical companies to me, Nick.

I feel greatly for the author who is trying to separate out the honest companies from the ones who aren’t, if they decide to use a service company of any kind. I hope that articles like this bring transparency and discussion, so each writer can decide for themselves what’s appropriate for their situation and their budget – and pick the best path or company for them.

Meghan Harvey

Nick–agree!

Last edited 1 year ago by Meghan Harvey